Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and Start Fighting

A friend of mine named Lisa asked me to pass this along to you.

Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and Start Fighting for Votes!
From: A Disaffected Democratic Voter

Dear Senator Obama:

    Why do your campaign and its surrogates keep telling Hillary Clinton that she needs to drop out of the race? What are you afraid of - competing against a "girl"? Come on -- don't be a wimp!

    A majority of Democrats want this race to go on. Millions of people in ten additional states want an opportunity to vote. I've heard you're not much for hard work, but is it really too much to ask someone who wants to be President of the United States to spend two more months meeting the very Americans you want to represent?

    I'm getting the feeling that you want to be coronated rather than nominated. Well, no one said this race was going to be a cakewalk.   And besides, you have only yourself to blame for not being able to close the deal with voters up till now.

    Look, you purposely ran for President -- as one Pennsylvania paper put it - with the thinnest resume of any Presidential candidate in modern times. A year ago probably fewer than 50% of Democrats even knew your name. Even now Democratic voters seem almost split between you and your opponent. Let's face it -- you still have a lot of work to do.

    First, you need to convince bread and butter Democrats that you can relate to them, that you understand their challenges, and that you have proposals - not just hope and hype - to help them.

    Second, you need to restore Democrats' faith in your credibility, character, judgment and electability after the damaging and prejudicial revelations about your spiritual leader and mentor, Reverend Wright. Your continued reliance on words will not be enough - more action is needed on your part.

    Third, you still need to convince a lot of voters you're up for the challenge of being Commander in Chief and Leader of the Free World.   Senator McCain does not have that problem by virtue of his military service, his experience on the world stage, and his age. As one of the youngest and least experienced candidates ever to run for President, you have an uphill battle here.

    Finally, there are millions of enthusiastic supporters for Hillary Clinton. In the past, you've dismissed the idea that these supporters would do anything but vote for you if you were the Democratic nominee. Well, things have changed since you voiced that sentiment.

    Millions of Democrats are now flirting with the idea of voting for Senator McCain over you, whether because of your association with Reverend Wright, the demeaning comments by you and your campaign toward Senator Clinton, or the bias of the media and certain Democratic "elites" in what is supposed to be a fair race between two strong contenders.

    And yet you and your supporters continue to demean Senator Clinton, Bill Clinton's presidency, and Senator Clinton's voter base. You would do well, sir, not to take us for granted. Perhaps a little less arrogance, and a little more humility, is needed.

    Voters in each state want to be taken seriously. We want to be wooed. At the very least, we want to be asked for our vote in a nice way, not dismissed out of hand.

    So, Senator Obama, I would say you still have your work cut out for you. This is not the time to rest on your laurels, whatever they may be.

    These two months are an opportunity to show the Democratic Party and the rest of the country what you're made of.  I don't see Hillary Clinton backing down from a fight - why would you?

    Take the gift of these months, Senator Obama, to continue to make your case to the American people. As Senator Clinton has stated, running for President is a privilege and an incredible opportunity.

    It would be nice to know you recognize that as well.



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he is not fighting? (2.00 / 3)

how do you think he got his 167 lead in pledged delegates? By sitting on the couch and hoping?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:53:13 PM EST

Re: he is not fighting? (2.00 / 1)

No no, they mean fighting for votes in states that MATTER.*

*To be defined post election.


by furiousxgeorge on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:58:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh no no. He mustn't fight. (2.00 / 2)

Read the rest of the diaries here. If he even responds to a negative from Hillary he's lambasted as Satan himself.

The point is she's lost. We'll unfortunately continue wasting money and time until she concedes that, but she no longer has a legitimate path. Hey what's a couple of hundred mill that could have been used against McCain.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:53:48 PM EST

No. That's the delusion. n/t (none / 0)


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:14:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well Said... (2.00 / 2)

I could not have said it better myself


by dvogel001 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:54:07 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 3)

He started a six day bus tour of PA today.  Sounds like asking for folks' votes to me...but what do I know? I've just been involved in campaigns since 1972.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:55:40 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 3)

Then stop asking for HRC to drop out.  It's getting very annoying.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:00:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

Obama hasn't asked for her to drop out.  Everything he's said is that he's planning on campaigning in the rest of the states through the beginning of june.

No one in his campaign has asked for her to drop out.

I really don't think Obama controls everything Pat Leahy says.


by bawbie on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:12:22 PM EST
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Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 1)

Obama didn't have problem holding Hillary accountable for Ferraro's words.  

He should be hold accountable for his surrogate words as well.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:25:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

actually - dodd, leahy and richardson all did.  and btw they are called surrogates for a reason.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:44:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then . . . (2.00 / 1)

what did that bit today about long movies mean?


by Trickster on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:05:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Then . . . (none / 0)

Personally I thought it was an accepted view that this primary has gone on too long.  I know I feel that way.

But saying its gone on too long doesn't mean that it should end right now nor that any specific candidate should drop out.


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:10:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Personally (2.00 / 2)

It seems like a pretty obvious plan to me.  Surrogate Dodd called for her to drop out yesterday, surrogate Leahy called for her to drop out today, and Obama making a comment about how the race has gone on too long on the very same day and it's not supposed to be interpreted as an echo of his surrogates' very similar but more pointed comments?  I'm not buying it.  I know Obama is into plausible deniability, but that just ain't plausible.


by Trickster on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:14:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

What's the matter? She "purposely ran for President," yet she's too much of a wimp to handle a few people telling her to drop out?

And for the 1,000th time, I will point out that Obama's comment about Clinton not getting his voters was not about Democrats:

He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."
...
"But I think it's fair to say nobody has done more to engage and bring people in who otherwise would not participate."

Obama and McCain both attract a large number of Independents, while Clinton is stronger among Democrats than Independents. Using Nevada as an example, Obama said while Clinton did well in Clark County where traditional Democrats reside, he did well in Elko, a place without traditional Democratic votes.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."


Obama wasn't saying his Democratic voters would stay home. He meant that he can get voters that wouldn't otherwise be Democratic voters at all. You're welcome to dispute that, but folks, please stop these nonsense accusations about what you think he said.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:18:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He and his surrogates have said that.... (none / 0)

so often, that it's likely that you're wrong - that the comment has been attached to us Dem voters, too.

I've heard it so often, that if there was a distinction, it's been lost in translation.  That's BO's problem, not Hillary's supporters.


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:24:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He and his surrogates have said that.... (none / 0)

Okay, so let me see if I got this straight...

You don't seem to have known the original context, but have vague notions of hearing something else often. (And unless you can provide some substantiation, I'll assume you merely heard it bouncing around this online echo chamber of ours.) But the fact that other people distorted it is Obama's problem.

Got it.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:31:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, let me get this straight... (2.00 / 2)

If a Clinton surrogate says something and it gets bounced around in the "the tubes" and twisted and distorted, it's Hillary (That Monster!) Clinton's fault.

But a FACT that bounces around from a Obama surrogate is not Obama's problem.

I.  Don't   Think.  So.


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:35:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OK, let me get this straight... (none / 0)

You lost me. If you want to give examples, fine, but  the specific quote I've been discussing doesn't even fit your hypothetical.

And I'm tired of ALL surrogates. If I've learned anything, it's that it's impossible to control them. There's a ton of them, and most are prominent figures in their own right who are not easily silenced.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:44:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your part of a trend... (none / 0)

...of Obama supporters who want to silence surrogates when the surrogates getting the scrutiny are those belonging to BO.

Hmmmmm.  Wonder why?


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:46:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your part of a trend... (none / 0)

I give up. I was trying to be fair by giving BOTH candidates a break for their surrogates' screw-ups. Have you already conveniently forgotten about Geraldine Ferraro, Ted Strickland and Francine Torge? But even trying to cut it down the middle wasn't good enough for you.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:53:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

while you may interpret his comments that way - most HRC supporters do not share your feelings.  in fact when MO (michelle obama) was asked straight up if she would vote for HRC she said she would have to think about it.  


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:47:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

And during that same interview, Obama also said this:

"Everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think we're all working for the same thing. Our goal is to make sure the person in the White House is going to take this country in a different direction. I happen to believe Barack is the only person who can really do that," she said.

That part was conveniently cut off in the YouTube clip.

And consider that substantially more Clinton supporters say they'll vote for McCain if Obama's the nominee (28% to 19%). I keep hearing about Obama supposedly bragging that Clinton won't get his voters, yet the numbers say the opposite. (Unfortunately, it's shameful that either number is that high to begin with.)


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:01:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 5)

Hey you should have seen her rally in Indiana .

She was so energized and she was feeding off of the calls to get out and the crowd was absolutely loving it.

About 5000 people came to see her late in the evening.

She worked to theme of the elites , armchair pundits and obama allies were asking her to get out with only 150 delegates seperating them , and that she was fighting for working families while the elites are calling on her to get out.

Almost like working families Vs. Media elites and obama allies.

The crowd went wild.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:56:44 PM EST

Were you there? PIctures? (2.00 / 1)


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:00:18 PM EST
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Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 0)

Oh, those darn 13 million Obama allies.

As I said on another thread, maybe even in response to your very same comment, enthusiasm from the folks who come to the rally is not that surprising.  Nor is it unusual for the losing candidate to complain about the media.  I remember when George H.W. Bush got big, enthusiastic rallies in 1992 and they would real excited when he said the media was against him but the people would re-elect him.  His side had bumper stickers that said, "Annoy the media - vote Bush."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:00:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

I would give Obama's camp an advice , send out your allies to continue to call on her to drop out.

Patrick Leahy didn't have to retract his statement.

No need to be scared of anything .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I also (2.00 / 1)

like it how when Obama gets 14 thousand people coming to his rally they are called a cult.

But Hillary's...well they are just excited.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:30:29 PM EST
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Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

Yeah! Boooo, elites! Only Clinton voters are hard-workin', real Americans!

That's precious. Glad you're embracing the same campaign rhetoric that Bush and Rove used against Dean, Kerry and all Democratic voters in 2004.

Now if you'll excuse me, my latte is getting cold.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:21:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yum, cold latte. Enjoy! (none / 0)


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:24:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 1)

 "Voters in each state want to be taken seriously. We want to be wooed."

Obama has done that all along, and has not divided America into the states that count and the ones that don't count...amazing how that generated his substantial lead.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:57:10 PM EST

Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..riding (2.00 / 3)

a bus.

BO has to address the ISSUES (you remember those, right) and manage not to call anyone a racist for, oh, at least two weeks.

What a surprise if he could manage to do that!  In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath.

Good letter, Lisa!


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:59:07 PM EST

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

Obama has NEVER called anyone racist.  This is a myth, an urban legend, believed by some Clinton supporters and reminiscent of the cargo cults.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:01:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's only because you haven't... (2.00 / 2)

been on the receiving end of that name calling.

Trust me, I've been called a racist by Obama supporters.  And BO's own personal spiritual advisor, too.


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:04:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Did you deserve it? (none / 0)

Maybe you deserved being called a racist? Did you say something that was racist?

The Obama campaign has never called HIllary or anyone on her campaign racists. They accused them of race-baiting on several occasions. But taht was because the Clintons WERE race-baiting.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:06:52 PM EST
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Re: Did you deserve it? (1.50 / 2)

yes we deserved to be call racists because we criticize Obama.  That has been the logic from Obama supporters.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:10:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did you deserve it? (2.00 / 1)

I never called anyone a racist and neither has Obama.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:17:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well....I can assure you I am NOT a... (2.00 / 3)

racist.  Never have been.  Never will be.

And I absolutely disagree with you that the Clintons have ever race-baited during this campaign.  And you will never convince me otherwise.

There are several pieces of evidence that BO's campaign has "swiftboated" the Clintons (via memos and surrogates) about race.  If you know what that means...it means telling a lie and then twisting it so much that nobody can ever defend against it.  Remember John Kerry and the Repugs?  Same thing has been going on with BO and Friends.

Shame on that.  Shame.


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:10:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well....I can assure you I am NOT a... (none / 0)

Obama rebuked the staffer when that happened.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:20:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It must have been a very quiet rebuke! (none / 0)


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:25:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It must have been a very quiet rebuke! (none / 0)

Not really.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:36:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well....I can assure you I am NOT a... (none / 0)

i agree shazone totally and wrote a diary earlier

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/28/1043 25/187

about how - as a canadian - i do not understand that how when the Rev. Wright issue came up it was spun by BO about racism rather than about patriotism - yet it is being billed and responded to by BO as a race issue.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:26:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ummm...bullshit. (none / 0)

The worst Obama's campaign said about Bill or Hillary [in a planned way -- not an off the cuff remark that was quickly retracted and apologized for] was saying Hillary has a problem with the truth.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:13:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There is a huge difference (none / 0)

between being called a racist by a supporter and by the candidate.  I don't blame the candidate for all the awful things supporters say.

I supported Edwards, not only was I called a racist, but I had also hung my vajayjay up in the closet in order to support him.


by Ellinorianne on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:14:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama supporters have consistently... (none / 0)

blamed Clinton (directly and her campaign) for everything ANYONE who supports her has said.

Interesting that when the shoe is on the other foot, BO supporters want to dismiss anything said by "surrogates."

Ha!


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:48:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama supporters have consistently... (none / 0)

I blame the person speaking the words, that's it.  Please don't lump people together.  It's fine to make a generalization but not really fair.

I was a Edwards supporter until just a couple of months ago.


by Ellinorianne on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:50:50 AM EST
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Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 4)

His campaign was caught sending 4 pages memo to voters in SC pushing the story that Bill was a racists.

Or you say Obama is not responsible for anything sent out by Obama's campaign?


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:07:54 PM EST
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Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (none / 0)

Link?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:23:35 PM EST
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Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

Better, we have it on video.  Search youtube for the debate for SC.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:26:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (none / 0)

I think you are confusing accusations of racism with race-baiting.

I don't believe Hillary or Bill are racists.

I do believe they have consistently used race as a wedge issue during this campaign, however.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:15:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 2)

yes, and start taking question too.

Not just make a speech and run back up to hide inside his bus.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:01:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

Like the town hall meeting he had today that was streamed on cnn.com?  He does town halls all the time.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:13:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

why didn't he take question after his great speech on Wright?


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:14:59 PM EST
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Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

Really?

He went on every news station and answered questions.  He's held hundreds of town halls.  He has media availabilities quite often.

But, this one time, he didn't answer questions!!!!

So scary!!!!!


by bawbie on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:22:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riding a bus is not fighting...it's, well..rid (2.00 / 1)

If you think he doesn't talk issues, you haven't been paying attention.  In the last ten days, he's given a major speech on the economy, on Iraq and on the impact of Iraq on the economy. And he takes questions and talks about policies all the time.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:19:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup...two days after Hillary has already... (none / 0)

addressed those issues.  Such a leader!  NOT!


by Shazone on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:50:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Come on. (2.00 / 1)

Could we have a modicum of facts here?

Obama holds town halls almost every day where he talks questions, including his stop in Greensburg, PA.  Here's a story with video:
Link

Please, could you at least attempt to be a member of the reality based community?


by bawbie on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:19:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (1.25 / 4)


by Hesiod Theogeny on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:04:56 PM EST

Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (2.00 / 1)

Until FL & MI are allowed to rejoin the United State Of America, we won't stop bugging DNC and Obama.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:13:55 PM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (2.00 / 1)

The FL and MI legislatures can schedule re-votes any time they want.  

If they make the process legit and fair, they'll be accepted by the Obama camp and the DNC.


by bawbie on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:20:43 PM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (2.00 / 1)

DNC already accepted MI revote proposal.  MI state governor also accepted MI revote proposal.  HRC accepted.   Only Obama stay silent.   He thinks splitting the vote 50/50 is the only fair solution for MI.  LOL.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:29:09 PM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (2.00 / 1)

The only reason there isn't a revote in Michigan is because there were not enough votes to pass it in the Michigan Legislature.

And that plan was neither legit nor fair, since it didn't let people who voted in the Republican primary before (because the Dem primary was not participated in by anybody) vote in a new Dem primary.


by bawbie on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:35:07 PM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (none / 0)

actually bawbie - there was a fact check segment on ac 360 this evening and well - i hate to break it to ya - MI got killed because of BO.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:35:15 AM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (none / 0)

Does Obama now vote in the Michigan state legislature?

What did AC 360 use to prove that Obama personally stopped the revote in Michigan?


by bawbie on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:57:20 AM EST
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Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (none / 0)

please excuse - but i cant recall the names of the people in the segment.

ill do my best to recap:  but they interviewed 2 BO supporters members of MI legislature who took active role in killing it and 1 HRC supporter (i think former gov of MI) who said this was a travesty - talked about details that were put forward - interviewed political reporter from Detroit Free Press who said that a revote was killed because elements in legislature said it would not benefit their candidate - gary tuchman (reporter)  asked their candidate - obama?  answer"  obama.

then they talked to some people,,,,blah, blah, blah.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:50:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I wish Hillary supporters would stop whining. (none / 0)

This is complete nonsense. Obama and Clinton are not and should not in a position to "approve" of anything. The candidates do not write the rules for the election. The DNC and states write the rules.

Revotes in Michigan were blocked by the Michigan Republican Party. Period. They smeared Obama along the way because it created exactly this sort of divisiveness.

Obama could not and did not block revotes in Michigan. He had no power to do so and could not have if he wanted to. The people with the power to do so, did so.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:51:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see (none / 0)

will they be rejoining the "Significant" Big States of America?
Cause you know according to Penn we got like 28 insignificant ones.
-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:28:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bug the politicians in Florida and MI (none / 0)

It's their fault. Not Obama's.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:10:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 2)


by catfish1 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:07:47 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

Millions of Democrats are now flirting with the idea of voting for Senator McCain over you, whether because of your association with Reverend Wright, the demeaning comments by you and your campaign toward Senator Clinton, or the bias of the media and certain Democratic "elites" in what is supposed to be a fair race between two strong contenders.
First and foremost, this election has been more than fair to Senator Clinton. She was the inevitable front-runner, remember? And I've got news for you: Had Barack Obama lost 14 straight contests in February, he would've been done. The media narrative of Clinton tenacity and "comeback kid" is the only thing keeping the Clinton campaign afloat. Second, the percentage of people who will actually defect is microscopic. Someone noted that a post-primary Pew poll in 2000 had 51% of McCain supporters flirting with the idea of voting for Gore. As ought to be obvious, no such thing happened. Third, as evinced by the NBC/WSJ poll, none of the drummed-up controversies surrounding Obama have much to do with Clinton voters threatening defection -- in contrast to Clinton, Obama actually has a net positive favorability rating among his opponent's supporters. It's not that Clinton voters don't like Obama, it's that they DO like McCain. Perhaps you folks should talk to your friends about party loyalty.
by RP McMurphy on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:25:47 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 1)

It has never been fair since the get go.  5 states broke the rule, why only FL & MI were punished.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:30:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

she did not seem (2.00 / 0)

to care about FL/MI till like after Super Tuesday.

Not one peep...

Thought I did her say:

Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

Maybe she should fire her senior adviser Ickles who voted to strip the states.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:34:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well said! (2.00 / 1)


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:37:11 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (2.00 / 1)

Great Diary. Your words and their meaning are well defined.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:37:58 PM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining (2.00 / 2)

Excellent Diary! Thanks for giving voice to what many of us are feeling and thinking.

Do not take us for granted!


by ProudMilitaryMom on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:53:22 PM EST

Mojo go to Lisa...they're her words! (none / 0)


by Shazone on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:01:47 AM EST

Re: Memo to Barack Obama: Stop Whining Already and (none / 0)

I wonder if the person who sent this thinks it's great that the Clintons are campaigning for McCain?


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:03:12 AM EST

Re: Seat Florida and Michigan (none / 0)

This was a good article about seating delegates in 1984. Sorry if it has already been posted. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23799601/


daridog
by rocketqueen on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:10:22 AM EST


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