Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Smearing Edwards?

Okay this issue with the National Enquirer - the one of bigfoot and space alien stories - and the Edwards "love" child has got me wondering is true or false?

Let's just look at the "reporting" on this.

The enquirer has not one single named source except it's own reporters and its own editor.  They say they filed a criminal complaint against the Beverly Hilton (not Edwards not a named security guard) - so what?  Anyone can file a criminal complaint.

Fox"news" claims to have found a security guard who was there.  A couple of weird things about this: 1) the guard again is unnamed and 2) there is NO REPORTER listed for the story only placement on their webpage.  Don't reporters want credit?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3914 26,00.html

maybe I'm nuts but why isn't a Fox "reporter" listed as contributing this story?

In the end this is easy enough to confirm with a DNA test, but in the mean time everyone hears this story and if there ever was even a dim chance of Edwards as VP this ought to kill it.

The cynical side of me wonders whether Roger Altman a treasury secretary under Bill Clinton and longtime HillRaiser did this back in October of 2007 and now just to help out the Clintons...

http://www.observer.com/2005/theyve-star ted-clinton-ii-crew-lines-early

To make it even weirder, another blogger says that the very same night in question was the TV Media Critics meeting at the same hotel and that the hospitality suite for their meeting was right next to the room in question...

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/features/20080725_Tattle___Enquirer__links_John_Edwards__Rielle_Hunter.html?submit=Vote&oid=2&mr=1&25897604=Y&cid=8500281&pid=25897604

As Daily News TV critic Ellen Gray informed us from the Television Critics Association summer press tour, what makes the Beverly Hilton choice even more bizarre is that the place was crawling with reporters Monday night for the TCA, including newspaper people from the New York Times, USA Today the New York Daily News, the Washington Post, and us. But no one but the National Enquirer seemed to spot John Edwards. Ah, it's a big hotel, you say. True, but the Enquirer says Hunter/Edwards friend Bob McGovern reserved rooms 246 and 252 at the Hilton. The TCA hospitality suite was down the hall in Room 234. Tattle's not saying it's not true - and Edwards may soon be issuing tearful mea culpas - we're just saying that if Edwards chose to have a liaison in a hotel hosting a press event, he's an idiot.

wouldn't someone else more credible than the National Enquirer have seen this?

Note: for those who are comprehension challenged this posting does not claim any involvement of the Clintons in this



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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (2.00 / 4)

Tinfoil hats everyone, quick!


by Jaz on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:00:29 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 5)

seems like this diary is a cheap attempt to continue demonising everything associated with the Clinton's. very tiring!!


by swissffun on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:05:31 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 1)

As are your comments which always try and bring up Hillary into every conversation.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:19:30 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 1)

You need to refer your comment to the diarist.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:04:32 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (1.25 / 4)

And another bitter deadender shows up!


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:08:38 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (1.25 / 4)

Spoken like a true 'bot.  You have not been paying attention....


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:26:33 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (1.25 / 4)

Paying enough attention to know that you were outed as a Repug troll a long time ago.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:45:59 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (1.66 / 3)

You forgot to call me a racist!  After all, aren't all  Demcorats who supported Hillary in the primaries Repug, racists, and any other adjective your puny vocabulary can conjur?  Your mother must be proud of you.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:00:00 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (1.00 / 6)

Dude, seek therapy. You are obviously still mourning over your loss. Try moving on to the stage of your grief.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:05:11 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (none / 0)

Like I said, you have not been paying attention.  That speaks to who you are more than any attacks you still engage in.  Too bad for you.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:09:58 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 1)

And what's with the ratings abuse for this comment. Giving me a HR for my comment violates site rules.
by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:42:29 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 3)

What are you talking about?  The diarist brought Hillary into this.  Did you read the title of the diary? The diary is about Hillary Clinton.  Are you kidding?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:40:26 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 1)

It says Clinton supporter.


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:47:21 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 2)

Delete this immediately, or you will be banned.

Oh wait, I thought I was on the LA TImes blog.

My bad, carry on.


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:09:04 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at (2.00 / 1)

It's all Clinton's fault. Well that explains everything. It's good job this twit is hiding behind his internet identity or they'd be forwarding his name to Bellevue.  


by ottovbvs on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:20:17 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at (2.00 / 1)

Like the faux comments at talk left- you miss the point. The point isn't whether or not clinton personally endorsed this. its that this person's support of clinton is their motive for the smear campaign.   it is possible and likely that this supporter made his decision to do this on his own due to the really minor buzz that edwards was a potential vp choice. it doesn't matter. the reality is that i am sick of this politics of smear.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:22:56 PM EST
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against Edwards? (2.00 / 1)

and for having an extra-marital affair? That's weird.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:49:44 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

one of the problems I find people have is that they asume there is a logic to this about "well don't go there because that's your candidate's potential issue too" except that's not rovian logic. the logic is attack the other person with whatever sticks against the wall and keep hammering on whatever it is. even if its a weakness thats your own. you also over estimate the ability of either the media or the voter or politicians to a) connected the dots or b) want to connect the dots. we lack memory in our short and long term political culture. it used to be the case that if a candidate said x on monday he would stick with that for a while. now, he can say x or monday and contradict himself on tues with not-x, and not be harmed by it. to be harmed by it requires connecting the dots.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:56:18 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

it makes no sense. John isn't a candidate, and Barack is not tied to John, Hillary's more tied to him with their health care thing and the populism, and John has already announced he's not interested in the VP job. the media is out there selling product and scandal sells product. I wouldn't care myself, except for Elizabeth, who is a great person and does not need to hear this stuff.  I mean, I'd prefer it if the media weren't interested in the private lives of famous people, but it sells.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:08:48 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

a) Edwards has said if asked he would take the VP spot. I don't expect Obama to ask.

b)  However, Edwards along the DC CW was seriously being considered because Obama has settled on economic issues for his VP nom. Thats a small narrow list. Edward or Clark etc.

That has been discussed on several main blogs. Do you think these major bloggers are just randomly talking about these things? More than likely they are discussing them because they are being discussed in the DC circles the major bloggers are now a part of.

c) Yes, scandal sell-b ut the timing of this- like the last time is just to convenient. I also note where it's being spread and through whom.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:13:49 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

CiC, Einstein, is the conventional wisdom litmus test for veep, not the economy. To be clear, Einstein.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:16:44 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

Here is BTD over Talk Left discussing the issue right before the Edward story conveniently appeared in the Enquirer:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/20/ 145427/558

Chuck Todd on Meet the Press:

MR. BROKAW: But is Iraq going to be the fault line in the fall, or is it going to remain the economy, Chuck?

MR. TODD: I think it absolutely remains the economy, and I think it's possible we will see how both candidates use their vice presidential choices to make that emphasis.

Now, do I think Obama was going to choose Edwards? No. I think it was unlikely. But, if someone is a zealous supporter who has done this sort of thing int he past, I dont put this sort of stuff past them to smear Edwards on the off chance he is.

In the Talk Left statement above (as is the case of the most pro Clinton bloggers for her as VP-- she's the cure all to everything- including economic VP issues). Being binary - if you are for Clinton-t hen you must think Edwards and even Sherrod Brown are "silly." This is the context and in the sources of which the national media which interacts with each other works. No conspieracy- just reality of the relationships involved.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:25:54 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (2.00 / 1)

Why is the smear against Edwards, and then smearng Clinton in the smear agianst Edwards important to you?  That's idiocy!  Spend your time supporting revising the tax code, addressing climate change and the oil crisis, fighting for universal health care.  But this?  IDIOCY.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:33:18 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (none / 0)

The irony of course is that you are posting and responding here too


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:43:24 PM EST
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Re: against Edwards? (2.00 / 1)

Yup.  My comments are ironic.  This diarist and you, of course, or not ironic.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:05:21 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman (1.50 / 2)

Just logged on to recommend this diary. I lurk here a lot now a days. The reality is that yes there was some minor buzz about Obama picking Edwards, and thus the smear campaign. At this point, i hope he doesn't pick clinton. I was actually until recently okay with him picking her, but I am tired of whatever machine is behind her and their motivations. I don't believe for the record clinton is behind it, but if this is the sort of people that will come with her- then I would prefer to keep them and their scandal mongering far away from the political process. We have a chance here to do something- I don't care if Edwards is the VP or not. It would be nice. But what I do care about is getting rid of this sort of stuff out of politics.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:20:31 PM EST

the economy (none / 0)

is trumping national security especially since Everyone is adopting Obama's policies on Iraq and Afghanistan.

who are the economy candidates clinton and edwards.

Edwards got 7% in West Virginia 3 months after dropping out.

the timing of this story just as Edwards put himself back in contention doesn't seem like mere coincidence....


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:23:00 PM EST
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Re: the economy (1.00 / 1)

Oh, I agree. Paying attention to the blogs carrying the story (even as they pretend to denyit) says all I need to know about what's driving this.  For example talk left jeralyn saying "oh i dont beleieve htis but have you heard" comment on her site. i  lurk a lot over there too. in some ways i am optimistic going forward, but also pessimistic. the reality is that the tactics they should be using against the republicans they are more than willing to use continously against fellow democrats. a lot of this is human nature. a repeated lie seems true if repeated multiple times. that happened with kerry and his being swift boated. you see that here. i've read people say 'well but why would they keep publishing if it's not true and i m sad to say (concerned trolling) that it maybe true." Never mind there is no proof at all- one is left in a defensive posture (which is the point) because the mere repetition and human nature works to make it seem true. thus its hard to fight. the publishers  knew that.

i agree economic issues are tantamount. but again, this is about agendas. some people support certain people so that determines their judgement. i would be fine with an edwards or a clark (or possibly sebelius but i am not sure bout her due to her performance on the national stage and not sure if she's a moderate or a progressive) for vp.

i was okay with clinton if she would return to her progressive roots. its exactly this sort of stuff that reminds me why i dont want her in this posiont. its the baggage she brings even if she would be a good choice.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:44:47 PM EST
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Taylor Marsh (1.00 / 1)

has joined FoxNews and Drudge as portraying it as true...

a hardcore Hillary supporter who's openly pushing her for VP...

she makes a lot of sense on paper, I just wonder about the timing of this.....


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:46:44 PM EST
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Re: the economy (2.00 / 4)

Of course it's not a coincidence.  It's a plot, masterminded by the All Powerful Hillary, Lord of the Sith.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:57:14 PM EST
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Re: the economy (2.00 / 1)

Yoda:  "Always two there are, no more- no less: a master and an apprentice."

Mace Windoo:  "But who is the master and who is the apprentice?"

Star Wars - Episode I


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:31:20 PM EST
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Silly. (2.00 / 1)

For the record, the diary isn't blaming Clinton at all.  Does the "you cannot criticize either Clinton in any way" law now extend to anyone who ever worked for them?


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:23:21 PM EST

Re: Silly. (1.00 / 1)

exactly merely raising that their might be motivation and timing benefits to raising this story now for HRC as VP while destroying any remote chance edwards had..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:25:03 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (none / 0)

They know it doesn't. I 've come to the conclusion there are a lot of nasty people online and in politics in general on the so called left/progressive side who are up there with Karl Rove.  at least in mindset. although, of course, no power. they simply come up with some spin or out and out  lie about what's being said and they run with it ad nauseum. the goal is to make people with clear minds defensive and thus cloud what is being said. blogs used to be free for all madness, but there were less numbers of out and out political hacks around simply trying to spin and set up talking points. now if you go to some sites (and I include some of obama's suport in this-- ie, some fo the outlandish diaries over at daily kos about losing the election if you didnt support obama on fisa ) it's nothing but talking points.  that's the reality of resources like this.while htey are new they can achieve a new more open conversation. once they age, they are taken over by the very forces that you want to change.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:36:09 PM EST
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yes (none / 0)

the name of the person involved is Clinton Supporter.  That's his name, has nothing to do with Clinton.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:50:49 PM EST
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Re: yes (2.00 / 1)

It's been a tough year for him but it is nothing on the tough life of his sister Athletic


McCain just lied again
by wrb on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:34:30 PM EST
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Re: yes (none / 0)

LOL


by Roberta on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:49:17 PM EST
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Re: yes (2.00 / 1)

Is that the the von Clinton-Supporter German or de Clinton-Supporter French branch of the family. They are both totally evil of course, just so long as everyone knows that. Spread it around.


by ottovbvs on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:24:55 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (2.00 / 2)

For the record, the diary isn't blaming Clinton at all.

Really?  Check the diary tags.  And then the diary title.  And then read the diary again.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (none / 0)

It says "Clinton supporter" Clinton motifies the word supporter. Reading comprenhesion isn't uyour strong suit.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:05:24 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (2.00 / 2)

...said the man who can't spell. The intent of this diary is quite clear, no matter how loudly you protest otherwise.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:30:49 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (none / 0)

the one true sign of someone losing an argument online is when they resort to discussions of grammar and spelling. here's the reality- i am typing this while doing other things. you aren't my focus. my work is. you are  side distraction just because i find the topic interesting.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:34:43 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (none / 0)

Bruh: since he was commenting on your comprehension of the heading of this diary which drips Innuendo, look it up or get mommy to explain it, discussion of your English language skills isn't totally unreasonable surely.


by ottovbvs on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:28:46 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (2.00 / 1)

Apparently the irony of you accusing everyone of having limited reading comprehension while failing to reread your own comments before posting it too much for you. Mayhap you're the one with a comprehension problem, not everyone who disagrees with this diary.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:06:22 PM EST
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Re: Silly. (2.00 / 1)

The diary is about a supporter - and aren't we always hearing about overzealous Clinton supporters?

But you've got me on the tag.

I don't know, maybe I just have a thicker skin about this stuff: over at Talk Left the standing theory is that this was engineered by the Obama campaign to ensure that he'd have a VP who didn't outshine him.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:07:32 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 2)

Let's see.  Roger Altman is CEO company called Evercore.  Evercore owns 20% of American Media.  American Media publishes the Enquirer.  Therefore, what is published in the Enquirer is part of a political plot on behalf of Hillary Clinton?

What about those that own the other 80% of American Media.  I'll bet there are some Obama supporters among them.  Probably some McCain supporters, and probably some Edwards supporters too.  Maybe we can retitle this "Are Edwards Supporters at the Enquirer Smearing Edwards?"


by markjay on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:38:47 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (none / 0)

so you are saying that say Rupert Murdock doesn't control and influence fox news?


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:45:57 PM EST
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Evercore owns the controlling stake (none / 0)

in AMI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Me dia%2C_Inc.

and Altman is Co-CEO of evercore

http://www.evercore.com/Team/index.php?c harVal=65-72


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:50:20 PM EST
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Re: Evercore owns the controlling stake (2.00 / 2)

The story has also been covered by Huffington Post (several articles), Slate, and elsewhere.  Ariana Huffington is an Obama supporter.  I think this needs to be retitled "Is Obama Supporter Huffington Smearing Edwards?"


by markjay on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:01:43 PM EST
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Re: Evercore owns the controlling stake (none / 0)

Yes because the swiftboating of kerry didn't have as it genius one particular ad that lied. and those people who generated the ad didn't have a particular motive. to call out that motive is to miss that the lie was  later spread by other press outlets. afterall if one talks about the party spreading the lie and their motive, then of course they are completely forever required to talk about how the press works to spread the lie by repeating it.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:08:51 PM EST
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Re: Evercore owns the controlling stake (2.00 / 1)

If you think a massive ad buy attacking a nominated presidential candidate is the same thing as an article in the National Enquire on a two-time failed primary candidate, then our viewpoints are so different that there is probably no use continuing this discussion.


by markjay on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Evercore owns the controlling stake (1.00 / 1)

it was an analogy about how tactics work.  but i really can't argue with stupid wherein every comment is misconscrued, changed or mangled because the listener cant handle the subject matter regardless of what's said.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:40:15 PM EST
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I KNEW IT! (2.00 / 3)

It was a big Clinton conspiracy to get JRE out of the picture so she could become the Veep!

In fact, Hillary and Bill dispached Huma (Hill's Lesbian Lover) to have sex with JRE and spawn a demon child that would kill Edwards veep chances, and destroy his politcal career.

The Clintons do it again!

Get fucking real...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:55:31 PM EST

Re: I KNEW IT! (1.00 / 1)

work on your reading comprehension skills. or better yet go to a therapist where they can deal with your emotional need to lie about what others have written simply because it scares you that the name clinton was even mentioned without regard to how the name was mentioned. seriously after the numerous posts above that not only clarify what the diarist wrote ,b ut totally denies what youa re claiiming the diarist meant- it takes  agreat deal of emotional issues to post this crap again and again just to change the subject into your simplistic version fo reality.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (2.00 / 1)

This diarist is an IDIOT!  
Titling this diary:  "Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Smearing Edwards?", yet claimming in the last sentence of this idiotic diary, "Note: for those who are comprehension challenged this posting does not claim any involvement of the Clintons in this" proves the point that this diarist is an IDIO!
Diarist, do you have any doubt that those with reading comprehension understand your intent?
To be clear, You, diarist, are an IDIOT!

Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:58:07 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (none / 0)

The irony of course is that he states his intent, but then you go onto claim but that's not his intent. The additional irony is that his point is that motive for the clinton supporter Enquirer was to some how help clinton (not that clinton was involved- just the supporters motive), and you do the same by lying about what the diarist intent is because you somehow think pointing out motivation of a supporter is attacking clinton. do you see the difference between you and her or the enquirer owner and her or do you think you area ll some kind of super organism with one brain?


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:03:37 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (2.00 / 1)

Really?  The intent of "Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Smearing Edwards?" is irony?  The only thing distinguising your comment for this diarist's smear is that he failed more than you.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:12:03 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (none / 0)

you know- you lack reading comprehension skill. When I refer to irony I am pretty clear about the fact I am talking about you. That wha tyou are saying is context is ironic. ie, that when he states his intent, you ironically tell him that the very thing he's trying not to do is the thing you say he's doing although in fact even the original statement was one about overzealous supporters such as yourself.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:17:19 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (2.00 / 2)

you know- you lack reading comprehension skill

The more you repeat this, the less effective it is. Does it make you feel smart or superior?  If so, then please have at it.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:33:52 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (1.00 / 1)

okay if you say so. good luck. i can tell you are a bit deranged and i dont deal with complete nut cases on blogs anymore. one of the advantages of lurking is that i've learned to tune you out. good luck talking to yourself with regard to anything i post here on out.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:36:40 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (2.00 / 1)

Lurking relieves you of the responsibility for being held accountable for you thoughts.  You, and this diarist, should stick to lurking.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:44:22 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (1.66 / 6)

He may, or may not, be an idiot.  You are definitely an asshole.

Is asking a legitimate question (without necessarily believing the worst possible answer) the same thing as an attack?  It can be, but it need not be.

If there's evidence then let's hear it.  If there isn't, then let's mock the original source.  Don't ad hominem attack him.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:14:50 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

Reaper, your command of the English language seems to ONLY include 4 letter words for those whose thoughts to which you disagree.  What does that make you?  In your words, you're and ASSHOLE!


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:19:21 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

"asshole" is a four letter word?  Wow.

Ya learn something new every day.  Well, in your case, the mileage may vary somewhat.

:)  Be well.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

Thank you; I am well, in my air conditioned BMW.  I hope you're well on your 'bike'.  
(BTW, I love bike.  I ride mine often in Lincoln Park and down inner Lake Shore Drive, about a block from my home.  The scenery is fantastic.  Hope you're able to enjoy beautiful scenery while you're on yours.)  
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:57:12 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (1.66 / 3)

Chi now you sound like the late aliveand kicking and how he used to brag that he had a Porsche. But of course we believe the you really have a BMW. No we really do believe you.  How insecure do you have to be to tell people what kind of a car you have?  Seek therapy!


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

Oh, Venecian.  You are a lost soul.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:14:06 PM EST
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And you my pet need some professional help. Who talks about what kind of car they drive on a political site?


by venician on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:59:49 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter (none / 0)

"Well, in your case, the mileage may vary somewhat."
Gee, can't imagine how modes of transport came about....
BTW, continuing this insane discourse any further with the likes of you would be insane.
You may continue.
Buh-bye.

Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:34:50 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (2.00 / 4)

Just because someone supports Clinton (and clearly 18 million people did just that) doesn't mean they all have to be branded that way in every conversation we have about those people. I am a Clinton supporter who gave money to her. Will anything I do now be judged through the eye-glass of being a Clinton supporter?


by ajain on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:42:17 PM EST

for the record... (2.00 / 1)

the national enquirer is not:

"the one of bigfoot and space alien stories"

in fact it is a human interest and gossip tabloid - sleazy yes, but up until a few years ago (maybe even now - but not sure) had never been sued successfully.  and while i cringe while set the record straight - the enquirer has historically broken these types of stories before others in the MSM.

oh - and the innuendoes in this diary are FAIL.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:07:09 PM EST

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Excuse me, what about the story of Laura Bush hitting Bush because he was drunk???  Is that true??


by Spanky on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:12:08 PM EST
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haven't read it... (none / 0)

but as i said - they are most definitely sleazy.  when i was in university a few years ago - i took a media course in which we covered this particular magazine.  believe it or not - they are right more often than not.

and the manner of phrasing they do is really clever to cover their asses.  for example "a source close to...' etc.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:18:17 PM EST
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well she took a course so that means they are probably right. it was an astrological course, but still


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:40:08 PM EST
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hi bruh -

to address your comment - no it was a mass media course in one of canada's top universities - but thanks for coming out!

and i havent really seen you here v. much - in fact - this is the first time i recall seing your username but checked your history and it would appear that you are not a 'new' user.  and interestingly enough - you are spamming this diary with your comments and are the only one who recommended it.  hhhmmm interesting indeed.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:57:16 PM EST
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my point canadian gal is that it's an irrelevant point that you are making. it's like saying well my best friend told me that this is a good source, so despite teh fact its an unsubstantiated claim one should trust it. thanks for more of what passes for evidence based analysis on line these days.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:42:02 PM EST
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sorry. (none / 0)

but saying my friend said... is not the same thing as university curriculum.  you can choose to disagree.

in fact while i said before i hope this story is not true - my better senses tell me that the enquirer covered their asses on this one.  at least with the hotel story which is easily refutable.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:53:52 PM EST
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No on the National Enquirer (2.00 / 2)

the NE was successfully sued by Carol Burnett in 1981.  They have settled other suits.


by JJE on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:39:37 PM EST
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yes - i see that. (none / 0)

and it looks like a few others were successful as well.  however - it also looks like, as i said - they have broken quite a few stories as well.

that being said - i hope that this story is not true - but i am also realistic.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:01:46 PM EST
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Fine, but (2.00 / 1)

since they've been known to break both libelous stories and true stories, then I think there's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt on this story.  Especially because they didn't have a single photo.


by JJE on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:21:33 AM EST
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settled lots of suits (none / 0)

carole burnett most famous but even the current crew at the rage have been wrong, most recently with Cameron Diaz.

and yes the enquirer used to publish bat-boy human hybrids, space aliens and bigfoot now they focus more on celebrity stuff....


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:30:42 PM EST
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i can't believe i am arguing about this. (none / 0)

but you are wrong.  at least in my lifetime (30 years or so) the enquirer is a celebrity and crime tabloid.

that being said - it would appear that - after seeing your sig line - that i am commenting in a troll diary.  I'VE GOT NEWS FOR YOU HILLARY CLINTON HATER - THE PRIMARY IS OVER.

g'day.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:36:45 PM EST
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uhm-- you do know some of us who actually live here have followed the national inquire and its stories in the past right?


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:44:25 PM EST
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dude - fail. (2.00 / 1)

i live in the fourth largest city in north america.  not only do we get the enquirer - but i would wager a guess that we also get more publications than most cities in the world (save for NY city).

your posts are fail frankly.  and to you i say ciao!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:57:49 PM EST
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Re: dude - fail. (1.00 / 1)

more irrelevancies. the issue that you raised was the quality of journalism from the National Enquirer. You then proceed to make rather deluded statements about how it can be trusted as a source. So I do n't care if you are queen of the universe. You are still wrong with regard to the topic you raised.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:05 PM EST
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oh and this is a democratic site. (none / 0)

if you and your ilk want to try and smear a sitting democratic senator - please go to www.redstate.com


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:38:07 PM EST
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Re: oh and this is a democratic site. (1.00 / 1)

The irony of course is that it is you who are engaged in the very things of which you are accusing others.


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:58 PM EST
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Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the (none / 0)

I think this story is bogus because JRE would pick somewhere less obious if he was going to have a meetup with a mistress.  JRE is a very smart man and this is not smart.  I wish JRE or this other supposedly woman would sue the Enquirer or come out an blow the story away.  


by Spanky on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:09:58 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the (none / 0)

that extends the shelf of the story


by bruh3 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:19:32 PM EST
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No (2.00 / 1)


by conspiracy on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:35:34 PM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer (2.00 / 1)

People always try to lump the Enquirer in with the Weekly World News and other fictionalized mags.  The difference is that, although the Enquirer is focused solely on sleazy news, it does try to publish real stories.  Edwards could always sue for libel if the stories were untruthful, though he hasn't.  My guess is that there is some truth here, though it does not make me happy to dwell on that.  The idea that some Clinton supporter planted the story to derail Edwards's VP candidacy, in order to boost Clinton's, is conspiracist nonsense.


by rfahey22 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:55:29 AM EST

Re: Is Clinton Supporter Altman at the Enquirer Sm (none / 0)

Is there a single photo even collaborating the story?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:11:48 PM EST


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